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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.blahstuff.com/oldstuff/2005/10/05/298/nantucket-nimbys/#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read some of the UCS stuff, seems like they are saying that terrestrial windfarms can easily be managed for multiple uses (i.e. farmland, grazeland, etc.). I still think land is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read some of the UCS stuff, seems like they are saying that terrestrial windfarms can easily be managed for multiple uses (i.e. farmland, grazeland, etc.). I still think land is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.blahstuff.com/oldstuff/2005/10/05/298/nantucket-nimbys/#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know of many places you can put a large scale windfarm at least 3 miles away from civilization in Mass. And who knows if those places have worthwhile wind?

I'll grant you that the article paints the picture it wants to paint and that I my own opinions are basically right in line with that point of view. 
And politicians are assholes around the world.

With those concessions, however, I'll just repeat that &lt;a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/environmental-impacts-of-renewable-energy-technologies.html"&gt;I don't buy any environmental argument against wind farms&lt;/a&gt;. Given that, the whole thing boils down to asthetics from my angle and that's just lame (in my opinion -- I &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; the way wind farms look.). Check &lt;a href="http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/windfarm18a.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;this quote&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;''We don't want it looking like Laguardia Airport at night,'' he [Robert Kennedy Jr.] said, referring to the lights that would adorn each turbine. The benefits enjoyed by more than 5 million people each year should not be compromised by the Cape Wind project..."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, he doesn't want to see lights on the night horizon? Really? (I know, that's not the entire argument being presented, but...)

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Some links:
These four have basically the same content, so the number or sources means nothing: &lt;a href="http://www.capewind.org/article38.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cape Wind&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.awea.org/faq/tutorial/wwt_offshore.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;AWEA&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.fplenergy.com/projects/contents/long_island_wind_faq.shtml#19" rel="nofollow"&gt;Long Island&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/copy-of-wind-power/faqs" rel="nofollow"&gt;Greenpeace&lt;/a&gt; (Yeah, Greenpeace... I know.)

Tons of stuff at the &lt;a href="http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cape Cod Times&lt;/a&gt;

The one source I put the most stock in: &lt;a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/cape-wind-comments-on-draft-environmental-impact-statement.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Union of Concerned Scientists&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know of many places you can put a large scale windfarm at least 3 miles away from civilization in Mass. And who knows if those places have worthwhile wind?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll grant you that the article paints the picture it wants to paint and that I my own opinions are basically right in line with that point of view.<br />
And politicians are assholes around the world.</p>
<p>With those concessions, however, I&#8217;ll just repeat that <a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/environmental-impacts-of-renewable-energy-technologies.html">I don&#8217;t buy any environmental argument against wind farms</a>. Given that, the whole thing boils down to asthetics from my angle and that&#8217;s just lame (in my opinion &#8212; I <em>like</em> the way wind farms look.). Check <a href="http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/windfarm18a.htm" rel="nofollow">this quote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8221;We don&#8217;t want it looking like Laguardia Airport at night,&#8221; he [Robert Kennedy Jr.] said, referring to the lights that would adorn each turbine. The benefits enjoyed by more than 5 million people each year should not be compromised by the Cape Wind project&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, he doesn&#8217;t want to see lights on the night horizon? Really? (I know, that&#8217;s not the entire argument being presented, but&#8230;)</p>
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Some links:<br />
These four have basically the same content, so the number or sources means nothing: <a href="http://www.capewind.org/article38.htm" rel="nofollow">Cape Wind</a>, <a href="http://www.awea.org/faq/tutorial/wwt_offshore.html" rel="nofollow">AWEA</a>, <a href="http://www.fplenergy.com/projects/contents/long_island_wind_faq.shtml#19" rel="nofollow">Long Island</a>, <a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/copy-of-wind-power/faqs" rel="nofollow">Greenpeace</a> (Yeah, Greenpeace&#8230; I know.)</p>
<p>Tons of stuff at the <a href="http://www.capecodonline.com/special/windfarm/" rel="nofollow">Cape Cod Times</a></p>
<p>The one source I put the most stock in: <a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/renewable_energy_basics/cape-wind-comments-on-draft-environmental-impact-statement.html" rel="nofollow">Union of Concerned Scientists</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.blahstuff.com/oldstuff/2005/10/05/298/nantucket-nimbys/#comment-1805</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I'll give you Long Island, but there's no place else in Massachusetts for a wind farm? Heck, they just stuck a windmill on the side of the road near UMass Boston and the Southeast Expressway (see http://www.ibew.org/articles/05journal/0509/p14_windmill.htm). 

Also, just because the article used the hook of richies worried about their property and view doesn't mean that the woman they interviewed emphasized that point when asked. Plus, and I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but might the complaints of the people that own that pricey real estate actually cause property to lose value?

The Nantucket windfarm proposal has been marred by dirty pool being played on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll give you Long Island, but there&#8217;s no place else in Massachusetts for a wind farm? Heck, they just stuck a windmill on the side of the road near UMass Boston and the Southeast Expressway (see <a href="http://www.ibew.org/articles/05journal/0509/p14_windmill.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibew.org/articles/05journal/0509/p14_windmill.htm</a>). </p>
<p>Also, just because the article used the hook of richies worried about their property and view doesn&#8217;t mean that the woman they interviewed emphasized that point when asked. Plus, and I&#8217;m just playing devil&#8217;s advocate here, but might the complaints of the people that own that pricey real estate actually cause property to lose value?</p>
<p>The Nantucket windfarm proposal has been marred by dirty pool being played on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major benefit of offshoring is wind consitency. Plus just the availability of space -- They got nowhere to put a windfarm *on* Long Island. ;)

The major crock is that people are claiming environmental worries, but are obviously more concerned with their own "investments". They are trying to use a bunch of FUD to keep their own interests protected. I just don't buy the idea of a windfarm three miles off shore dramatically dropping real estate values.

As for the fishing grounds... I'm sure someone much more research minded than myself could find references for how the many sea-bound windfarms in Europe affected the fishing industry there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major benefit of offshoring is wind consitency. Plus just the availability of space &#8212; They got nowhere to put a windfarm *on* Long Island. <img src='http://www.blahstuff.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The major crock is that people are claiming environmental worries, but are obviously more concerned with their own &#8220;investments&#8221;. They are trying to use a bunch of FUD to keep their own interests protected. I just don&#8217;t buy the idea of a windfarm three miles off shore dramatically dropping real estate values.</p>
<p>As for the fishing grounds&#8230; I&#8217;m sure someone much more research minded than myself could find references for how the many sea-bound windfarms in Europe affected the fishing industry there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.blahstuff.com/oldstuff/2005/10/05/298/nantucket-nimbys/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what's the crock? The part about the windfarm being built in what are now fishing grounds, or the part about it lowering property values?

Why don't groups build windfarms on dumps or wastelands? Why do they seem to be targeting the oceans? Maybe it's because if you go far enough offshore you can try to escape state jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the crock? The part about the windfarm being built in what are now fishing grounds, or the part about it lowering property values?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t groups build windfarms on dumps or wastelands? Why do they seem to be targeting the oceans? Maybe it&#8217;s because if you go far enough offshore you can try to escape state jurisdiction.</p>
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